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|The letters below were received by SCSCS in response to our email about the Mayor's Prayer Breakfast. They are presented in no special order and without the names of the senders to protect their privacy.|
|I am interested in more information.
|The city of Santa Clarita invites you to be a Good Jew!|
|Please keep me informed on the what's happening with this important issue. Thanks,|
|HOW DARE YOU ASSUME THAT I AM NOT ALREADY A GOOD CHRISTIAN --- IF YOU WERE TRULY A GOOD CHRISTIAN YOU WOULD KNOW THAT JESUS TAUGHT THAT WE SHOULD NOT JUDGE OTHERS!|
|This is absolutely horrifying! I always worried a little about the "red state"leanings in this town, but this prayer breakfast is an absolute outrage! I plan to e-mail the mayor and other council members and express my distaste with the way they are mixing religion and politics.|
|Please e-mail me more information on your group. Thank you|
|While I agree with you, I would like to know how you have my name.
Yes, I'd like more info on your group........
|god doenst exist. Stop fucking emailing me god damn it|
|I am a Jewish Democrate and every one of these "Prayer Breakfasts" that our government has screams to me-"YOU DON'T BELONG HERE." Is there going to be some sort of counter breakfast, or is there something I can do?|
| This is still America!!! Christians have a right to meet just like
everyone else! If you want to have a breakfast for some other belief system
- GO AHEAD!!!
The separation of church and state was established to protect the church from the state, NOT the state from the church. This country was founded on Christian principles. All are welcome to live a life of freedom - including Christians. That is what makes America the greatest country in the world - our FREEDOM.
I will attend the Prayer Breakfast in support of my beliefs. You have the right to have an event in support of yours. But please don't shut ours down because you disagree, just don't come.
|Thank you for the information. Without your notice I would have missed this.
Your right...I believe that I will email each of those on your list and tell them how much I support this program and that I plan to attend.
|Thank you for this e-mail. I too, am concerned about the ramifications of this Mayors Breakfast, but want to know more. It seems to me that any group should be able to voice their concerns to the city government and meet with them. However, one group should not have the power to sway or tilt a politician to support their religious beliefs and agenda over others. Can you tell me what, if anything, resulted from the Mayor's Breakfast last year in terms of any influence, improper or otherwise, on the city officials and their subsequent policies? This information would be helpful for me, as I am prepared to object to this event, if I feel such an influence exists. Thank you.|
|I will pray for you my friend! I find it hard to believe some people have such a hard time with an organization having something as harmless as a mayor's prayer breakfast. Attending this breakfast does not make her a Christian anymore than attending a baseball game makes her a pitcher. Get a life and go do something better with your time like maybe counting paperclips or something.|
|You are way off base on this effort.
Our constitution guarantees we won't have a state sponsored or state run religion, it has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not our leaders chose to participate in religious activities such as the Mayor's Prayer Breakfast. Our legislatures both state and federal begin with prayer and blessings as do a number of other government activities none of which violate the Constitution.
Perhaps instead of spending your time attacking events such as this you might want to spend some time studying our nations history and it's documents. It might spare you some embarrassment over your misinterpretations of our Constitution.
Dear Ms. Weste:
|Get over it Bruce! This is a Christian country. Being Christian means we virtually accept the fact that any and all peaceful religions are welcome here. What makes the U.S. so special is the Christian foundations from the beginning. What do you want? A secular society as that of France? Just look at the situation France is in right now. Have you any idea what is going to happen to them?|
|Wow Bruce, I don't think you got your facts right. I've known this group to do great things for our community and they have been so giving to many causes that we have benifited as a community. Its a shame that there has to be so much hate in ones heart to not see the good that some organizations are trying to do. Whether you pray or not, We are a free country to do either. Just like they always tell us, if you don't like what someone else is saying or doing change the channel. In this case don't go. But don't ever try to take away anothers right to do something that is not breaking the law. So maybe you don't like to pray no need to speak bad about something you don't really understand. I think let them have their prayer breakfAST. As a Santa Clarita residents this does not threaten any of my rights and freedom. Have a great day Bruce and hopefully there are better causes to stand against and for in the future|
|Yes, I believe in & support Separation of Church and State, but what’s wrong with a Prayer Breakfast? Most major cities “entertain” this activity every year and it’s been a national event for years. I doubt very much that our mayor could ever become the “Ayatollah of our valley”. I tried to find out “what the Dunamis Group is trying to promote” as your email advocated, but their website talks only of being a Christian and getting Christian men together in meeting. So how do I find out more? What did the city do last year (and didn’t hear complaints)? Your email is very difficult to understand – are you promoting the Prayer Breakfast? You said to “See below to find out more about Dunamis and how to make a difference” – and below that was the flyer info for the Prayer Breakfast?? It told me nothing more about Dunamis. I’m totally confused!|
|Dear Ms. Mayor,
I believe in the Constitution of the United States. Therefore I am asking you to disassociate your public role as our Mayor from this group of religious evangelicals bent on telling all of us how to live. I ask the same of the Council.
The Dunamis Group has no right to do so and you have no right to give them a public platform from which to do it. I am worried that they will take city funds to further their private goals. I am also worried that they will brow beat Council members to vote in certain ways - or else. The "or else" being a threat to undermine any members' re-election bid(s) by rallying their congregations to oppose anyone who doesn't toe their line
If you, and other members of the Council, attend Church with them, good for you. That is a personal choice made for personal time. The last time I checked, many of the citizens of the City of Santa Clarita, who you work for, are not Evangelical Christians. We don't appreciate our city government being infiltrated by religious organizations - of any particular belief - who want to influence government policy along their narrow religious views.
I implore you to tell the Dunamis Group to stay away from City Hall.
|I never heard about Dunamis, but there sure is a lot
of Dunamis to google about. Apparently, "Dunamis" is a
Greek word translated into English somehow, to mean
"dynamite"; and secondly, "dynamic".
On the web-training Dunamis Vision Company, LTD. page, they have a motto from 1 Corinthians 4:20, "For the Kingdom of God does not consist in words but in power." Isn't this a bit "preemptive" and military-like, in context to the word "dynamite"? I always believed that the "pen is mightier than the sword". And the mention of "power", diminishes our Freedom of Speech clause.
Apparently this Dunamis (Doo-nah-mis)is an evangelical Amway-type organization. they may be trying to establish a buy/sell block to include "believers" and to exclude "non-believers". My Amway impression seems coincedental. Yet, the Amway family founded the Heritage Foundation. The son-in-law of one of the Amway founders formed Blackwater Security. Dunamis seems to be a network of irrelevant products; and like Amway, is mostly pep-talks and fanatical encouragement.
Dunamis has more of the earmark of a cult than a mainstream relegion; and they could at sometime turn to terrorism, persecution, or in a harm of intimidation. Would a Dunamis employer be an equal opportunity employer? I don't think so. Although the member list on our local Dunamis site does not have any viable business, it would be wise not to do work with these people. Unfortunately, suggestion may be the same philosphy as Dunamis; but it is more productive, to work with rational business people.
Look up all the various sites on google that come up under Dunamis. Either there is a great copyright infringement, or the individual sites are all in the same mindset. "Dynamite" is a violent and forceful word. Dunamis may be a very dangerous cult.
I share your concerns.
|I no longer live in Stephenson Ranch/Santa Clarita. I have moved to Poway in San Diego County. Good luck with your e-mail.|
|Sorry, can't identify myself, Bruce, but I have info you might be interested in regarding this prayer meeting BS. This prayer meeting is being run by the same Repubs who did the hit mailers on Plambeck and Schultz. Why the papers never looked into who was behind Colley is a mystery, since I know for a fact that the Daily News knew about the Wilke/McKeon connection.
Colley wouldn't say who the other members of the PAC were, and the papers let it drop? When the info was given to the Daily News about Colley, I figured they would go the extra mile and expose Scott Wilke, but the Daily News AND The Signal stopped with Colley, giving Scott Wilke a free ride for some reason. And since Wilke is McKeon's rep, would have been nice if McKeon was given a few words of notice in the papers.
Also, Frank Ferry and Ed Colley are best buds, and Frank knew all about this hit mailer business. Frank is determined to make Ed Colley a councilman, because puppets are what the Repub machine revere above all else and Ed Colley is nothing more than a puppet front-man used by Buck McKeon and Scott Wilke. Why let Wilke and McKeon get away with nary a mention? I know The Signal wouldn't go there, because they support the Republican machine; f they don't, Auto Row threatens to pull advertising. The Sig is OWNED , lock stock and barrel, by Auto Row, but I don't know why the Daily News stoped at Colley. Maybe you can "go there" in a column. I see no reason why all this hit mailer business should just be ignored now, since Colley still has a seat on CLWA. An elected representative who gets involved with hit mailers should be "asked" to resign his seat. Instead, Colley is being "hailed" as a hero by the Repub machine.
Maybe a prayer breakfast might be just what these sleazy hit mailer twits can use. Hit mailers certainly fall under the category of "bearing false witness" so maybe Wilke and McKeon and Colley and Co. have seen the error of their ways. Colley was quoted in a paper as refusing to give the names of the other PAC members, so obviously they know they should be ashamed. If they are so full of "integeity," as the name of their PAC claims, why do they hide behind the Colley puppet, afraid to be identified. The fact that they don't want their names publicized proves they know that wasn't a nice ETHICAL thing to do, and NOW they are going to PRAY???
I am hoping Smyth doesn't get a chance to plop down in that assembly seat, and the only way this can be prevented from happening is to keep the truth about him and the Repub machine out in the open. Smyth is a clone of Pete Knight, and Smyth plans on moving up and away, with Frank Ferry close behind. They are just the kind of mindless puppets the Repub machine wants.
Getting the word out to Simi and the San Fernando Valley is very important. The anti-homeless/gays/pro-choice Smyth is a nobody there, but Mr. GQ is real good at getting voters, even Dems, to forget the truth about him.
|I don't know how you got my email, but don't you EVER, EVER, EVER send me any of this right wing bullshit Bush crap again!!!|
|I wonder if Dunamis is being funded by the White House, through faith-based inititives.|
|Postscript to my wondering about faith-based financing
If the White House can spend billions of dollars, causing "color revolutions" and influencing the countries of Ukraine, Belarus, Lebanon, Georgia, Kyrgyzstan, Iran, Venezuela,........... (Possibly the recent Canadian election), why wouldn't a group like Dunamis be a way to take futher control of a percieved dissidence in the United States?
|Thank you for the email to let me know that there is such a great event as the Dunamis prayer meeting going on in Santa Clarita and supported by the Mayor Ms. Weste.
For what you said, it seems that the Mayor can't attend a Christian Prayer meeting that is promoting Christ and good virtue to the city, to avoid making America a new Iran. But a mayor like the San Francisco mayor can promote homosexuality and not afraid of making America the next Babylon! You may argue that homosexuality is freedom. But Christianality is also freedom, and it IS Religious freedom! I just don't understand why you are so against Christians just because you are not.
May God bless you.
|Are you attending the breakfast? I am thinking seriously of going? I wonder if there will be a Q & A? Can we get Diane Feinstein or Barbara Boxer to attend? Oh, wait I forgot..they gave up on Santa Clarita and have never been here!|
|If you want to be separated, then separate yourself!
Be yourself . . . . but be your best self.
|GREAT JOB BRUCE! I have, against my better judgement, begun to use the term FC for FUndamentalist Christian as Bush Sr. used the L wod for Liberal. If you say it phonetically as in "those little FCs" it work like a charm! I am so angry over this.
I dont remember if I t/t you about my talk with Messine last week. He was respectful, but I knew not to say anything about myslef becasue I suspect the guy is sick! I tld him what I had witnessed last yr and that it was wrong and Un-American. He agree, or seemingly so agreed that Smyth had turned it into a FC/Evangelical event. Is the interfaith council doing anything? The Nat'l Organization for Sep of Church and State?
|You seem intelligent. What is at risk here. If there's no Christ, it's a waste of time, no loss to you. If there is a Christ, good idea to participate, positive outcome for you. If there is a Christ and you are against him, EXTREMELY negative outcome for you personally.
Being in error on this one would be like the biggest mistake you ever made.
I chose Christ. Only upside!
|I agree with the Great Commission as do all good Christians, because it was given by Christ himself at the time of his Ascension into Heaven.
Your opinion means nothing to me.
|Please remove my email address from your list. You consistently make me embarrassed to call myself a democrat. Despite the fact that I would never attend this event and as someone who is Jewish, I neither take offense to this event nor view it as a separation issue.
Stop spinning this as a "City trying to save the world for Christians" issue as you know damn well that this not the case and that your rants are politically motivated. Perhaps if you stopped all of your public spewing more people in this community would give more serious consideration to supporting future democratic candidates
|I e-mailed all of the elected officials listed to express my true displeasure with this disturbing event.|
|comon, a little over the top ???
You heard me say so did others that this will not be an evangelical event..
Isnt this a form of Intolerance..???
|Dear Mayor Weste,
I wanted to share with you an unsolicieted email i recieved today, I don't know how this organization obtained my email address, but none-the-less it was unsolicited information I did not request!
I am a good christian and I fully support the Mayors upcoming prayer breakfast, when our community is working diligently to bring together unity, for those of us who believe in our (various) faith(s) to join together, I believe an email such as this may give a different perception all together.
I doubt there is much that can be done with regard to this type of unfortunate email being sent out....... I felt it necessary (as I am sure many others will too) forward this to you and share my support for this upcoming event.
thank you for allowing me a moment of time,
|Done i emailed all the council members and city manager the following:
In regards to the Mayors prayer breakfast i realize that it is a pretty traditional thing to do and all but as an agnostic type of person i would like to know if this Dunamis group is the sole sponsor of this event and do you agree with their mission statement? Believe me i have no problem with religion or faith and all but i prefer that my elected officials not use it as their sole basis in regards to decision making. Keep up the good work.
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